went thru the mra tag
How nice of you to drop in! Do stay awhile. Keep your mind open because we–oh.
when did the supposed disposable quality of men (esp in war) become a thing?
I dunno. Since “patriarchy” began? There are no kings without disposable soldiers. Hell considering the life expectancy of the male ruling elite throughout history (hint: male peasants lived longer), there’s nobody willing to be a king if he won’t first accept his greater disposability. (Either that or kings were profoundly stupid and didn’t ever clue in to how often they got offed.)
and how is it not glaringly obvious that it has more to do with how classism and racism make it a necessity for men who find themselves with little choice but to go into the military after school stops being a legal obligation?
Because non-white and poor women don’t face the same pressures to the same degree now and definitely not historically (when conscription was a thing and men could be shot for failing to do their duty.) Nor are non-white and poor women expected to sign up for Selective Service.
It’s also not exactly a class thing. Did you know that 25% of soldiers with a rank of General or higher died in WW1? And that the rate of death of officers(who are usually drawn from the upper classes, particularly historically) exceeds that of enlisted men?
Further emperors, kings and other male leaders throughout history have some of the shortest lives, shorter even then male peasants?
Yep. Male disposability. Often the guys on the top are the most disposable of all.
yes, these men are disposable, but they’re that way because other men benefit from assigning men of certain strata more individual value. this is a system men created for ~lesser men. women across time didn’t decide that they want their young sons and husbands dragged into wars
that are often waged without input from anyone below the most influential classes, there was no convention held where it was voted that women would stay home rearing the children left behind and keeping economies afloat by taking up jobs that would have paid men better for the same position if they were around.
I wonder if the men who fought would rather have gone to war or if they would have taken the option to stay at home and work(with reduced pay) and raise their children.
Let’s ask a few!
“5/5 Would do again.”
“I enjoyed choking to death on mustard gas! So much better then staying safe at home and raising my kids. Pft. Kids, what a pain in the ass, amirite?”
“Living in mud for years and watching my friends die was the best experience of my life!”
“Huddling together for warmth in a field of dead bodies was v. exciting and enriching! I’m so glad we saved this part of traditional gender roles for ourselves and didn’t offer it to the women!”
men decided this.
Except for the ones who got shot because they chose not to go. And the ones who went because they’d get shot otherwise.
and that’s saying nothing about the reality that the female counterparts of poor, nonwhite men are always more adversely affected by the structures that put them in these positions to begin with. even historically, women are and have been considered part of the spoils of war – or tools by which invading forces can further keep themselves in positions of power, through indiscriminate and massive-scale sexual exploitation that even now goes undocumented and unworthy of legal action. this isn’t new.
The reason you don’t mention the sexual exploitation of men in war is because of male disposability. You don’t know about it, because no one cares about it.
Incidentally men who are raped are often treated as disposable by their wives, families and communities.
and btw in your ranks, where mras seem to be super conflicted about female presence, there is an 86-87% likelihood that sexual aggressors will get away without even a side-eye. the women you fight beside are fair game and there is little room to do anything about it because men don’t give enough of a shit.
According to the FBI the conviction rate for rape is right in line with other violent crimes. At least male-on-female rape. Female-on-male rape remains woefully under-reported and under-prosecuted. In fact female rapists of adult males have a ~100% chance of getting away with their crimes.
I see your fear-baiting and offer you a hearty “No thanks!” in response.
tl;dr the concept of “the disposable male” doesn’t refute male supremacy it kinda does the opposite.